Comments on: Secret pay scales http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/ I will not be swayed be every small current; nor will the memes faze me or infect me. I am pure. I am intelligent. I am rational. I am at peace. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:01:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: feeling underpaid http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-1990 feeling underpaid Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:40:24 +0000 http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-1990 We agree that secret payscales are horrible. To combat them, we've started a blog to help get salary information public through anonymous sharing. Help us get this blog started! http://feelingunderpaid.blogspot.com/ We agree that secret payscales are horrible. To combat them, we’ve started a blog to help get salary information public through anonymous sharing. Help us get this blog started!

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]]> By: LizardBreath http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-129 LizardBreath Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:18:10 +0000 http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-129 No, I'm pretty sure it didn't. In workplaces where the employer doesn't enforce secrecy, the taboo doesn't exist. (Which is why I brought up Ideal and the Army.) It's pure scam. No, I’m pretty sure it didn’t. In workplaces where the employer doesn’t enforce secrecy, the taboo doesn’t exist. (Which is why I brought up Ideal and the Army.) It’s pure scam.

]]> By: pdf23ds http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-128 pdf23ds Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:41:44 +0000 http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-128 Well, it's just that it seems like employers are taking advantage of a pre-existing taboo against talking about salaries to use an excuse. But I don't see how the companies' actions could create the cultural attitudes in the first place. Then again, I can see how they're maintained by companies' policies. If companies dropped the pay secrecy policy, the cultural attitude would eventually go away. But it seems like the attitude predated that. Or did it? Well, it’s just that it seems like employers are taking advantage of a pre-existing taboo against talking about salaries to use an excuse. But I don’t see how the companies’ actions could create the cultural attitudes in the first place.

Then again, I can see how they’re maintained by companies’ policies. If companies dropped the pay secrecy policy, the cultural attitude would eventually go away. But it seems like the attitude predated that. Or did it?

]]> By: LizardBreath http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-127 LizardBreath Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:34:58 +0000 http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-127 Yes, I absolutely do. People really no-shit get fired over spreading salary data around, and the excuse is that it's private. If Ideal weren't out of town, I'd call him over here -- he spent most of his worklife in the Army, where salaries are transparent, and the taboo doesn't make any sense to him. It only exists because employers push it. And I don't think that transparent salaries for a unionized workforce have any relationship to transparency in the salaries of management for that workforce. Yes, I absolutely do. People really no-shit get fired over spreading salary data around, and the excuse is that it’s private. If Ideal weren’t out of town, I’d call him over here — he spent most of his worklife in the Army, where salaries are transparent, and the taboo doesn’t make any sense to him. It only exists because employers push it.

And I don’t think that transparent salaries for a unionized workforce have any relationship to transparency in the salaries of management for that workforce.

]]> By: pdf23ds http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-122 pdf23ds Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:07:59 +0000 http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-122 "pay scales are transparent under every union contract I’ve ever heard of" Just for the uninionized job itself, or also for management? “pay scales are transparent under every union contract I’ve ever heard of”

Just for the uninionized job itself, or also for management?

]]> By: pdf23ds http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-121 pdf23ds Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:00:49 +0000 http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-121 You really think employers are responsible for the social attitude? You really think employers are responsible for the social attitude?

]]> By: LizardBreath http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-120 LizardBreath Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:35:30 +0000 http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-120 Employers have successfully sold it as nosy and uncouth to want to know what your fellow employees are making. And in at least some workplaces, you can get fired for sharing salary information. Employers have successfully sold it as nosy and uncouth to want to know what your fellow employees are making. And in at least some workplaces, you can get fired for sharing salary information.

]]> By: pdf23ds http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-119 pdf23ds Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:32:46 +0000 http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-119 Sure. I'm just surprised that more employees don't seem to resent this. Whence the taboo? Sure. I’m just surprised that more employees don’t seem to resent this. Whence the taboo?

]]> By: LizardBreath http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-118 LizardBreath Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:06:59 +0000 http://pdf23ds.net/2006/08/01/secret-pay-scales/#comment-118 It's a norm enforced by employers because it's to their benefit, and yes, pay scales are transparent under every union contract I've ever heard of. It’s a norm enforced by employers because it’s to their benefit, and yes, pay scales are transparent under every union contract I’ve ever heard of.

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