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	<title>Comments on: More on feminism and child support</title>
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		<title>By: geoduck2</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, let's spin out a scenario here.  

I'm guessing that we all agree that a man can't legally force a woman to have an abortion.  So that means - what to do about economic and/or emotional obligations to the embryo/fetus.

The practical aspects of it get messy.  To put pressure or change one's mind about pregnancy in the 2nd or 3rd trimester is a problem in terms of abortion.  It's harder to get an abortion after the first 12 weeks; many more people have moral problems with it; and it's more dangerous for the woman.

Obviously he can't make the decision after the kid is born.  

There is a potential problem of couples having an argument during the pregnancy or after the kid is born and the father wanting to take off. 

I'd say it all has to be resolved in the 1st trimester.  A man, if he wants to give up all of his parental rights and responsibilities should sign an affidavit in the 1st trimester to that affect.  There are two possible pragmatic problems to this:

1) Now - if he did, before conception, claim that he wanted to have a child?  There's a lot of stupid people out there - she might believe him: "Hey, baby, I want you to have my child."  What do we do if a man (or boy) changes his mind?  If the woman doesn't want to have an abortion, what is she going to do then?  How do we protect against this situation? 
 
or 2) The state is not going to go for this.  The reason the state collects child support is not because a bunch of feminists run around state houses enacting laws.  It's because the state doesn't want to pay for the kid.  So from a pragmatic point of view - it's unlikely to go over.

Obviously there needs to be a male pill.  Why aren't men advocating for this?  

And really, everyone, straight or gay, should be wearing a condom unless you trust with your life your sexual partner.  Just don't do it.  It's not worth it. 

And South Dakota might make this whole issue moot. Welcome to Gilead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let&#8217;s spin out a scenario here.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing that we all agree that a man can&#8217;t legally force a woman to have an abortion.  So that means - what to do about economic and/or emotional obligations to the embryo/fetus.</p>
<p>The practical aspects of it get messy.  To put pressure or change one&#8217;s mind about pregnancy in the 2nd or 3rd trimester is a problem in terms of abortion.  It&#8217;s harder to get an abortion after the first 12 weeks; many more people have moral problems with it; and it&#8217;s more dangerous for the woman.</p>
<p>Obviously he can&#8217;t make the decision after the kid is born.  </p>
<p>There is a potential problem of couples having an argument during the pregnancy or after the kid is born and the father wanting to take off. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say it all has to be resolved in the 1st trimester.  A man, if he wants to give up all of his parental rights and responsibilities should sign an affidavit in the 1st trimester to that affect.  There are two possible pragmatic problems to this:</p>
<p>1) Now - if he did, before conception, claim that he wanted to have a child?  There&#8217;s a lot of stupid people out there - she might believe him: &#8220;Hey, baby, I want you to have my child.&#8221;  What do we do if a man (or boy) changes his mind?  If the woman doesn&#8217;t want to have an abortion, what is she going to do then?  How do we protect against this situation? </p>
<p>or 2) The state is not going to go for this.  The reason the state collects child support is not because a bunch of feminists run around state houses enacting laws.  It&#8217;s because the state doesn&#8217;t want to pay for the kid.  So from a pragmatic point of view - it&#8217;s unlikely to go over.</p>
<p>Obviously there needs to be a male pill.  Why aren&#8217;t men advocating for this?  </p>
<p>And really, everyone, straight or gay, should be wearing a condom unless you trust with your life your sexual partner.  Just don&#8217;t do it.  It&#8217;s not worth it. </p>
<p>And South Dakota might make this whole issue moot. Welcome to Gilead.</p>
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